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ť Topic: Photobucket Torpedoing
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As Dave pointed out in another thread, Photobucket now wants $399 a year (or $39 / month) to be able to view images hosted there on another site like this one. Heck, you can get a basic unlimited storage / bandwidth web hosting account for $4 a month... and post images without needing to buy a domain name. But there's better (read free) alternatives.

I understand it costs money to store and for bandwidth, but hitting people out of the blue that depend on them is just plain ransoming. It also makes me wonder if they are having financial difficulty and are out to make a quick buck. No way I'd pay by the year. Here's an article about their change: [url]http://www.ghacks.net/2017/06/30/photobucket-now-charges-399-for-third-party-hosted-images/[/url]

This site lists alternatives with descriptions:
[url]http://www.lifewire.com/free-image-hosting-sites-3486329[/url]

A good choice with known stability would be Google:
[url]http://www.photos.google.com/[/url]

I use Imgur occasionaly:
[url]http://www.imgur.com/[/url]

The nice thing about Photobucket was the account Dick set up for us, with the ability to make our own albums.

Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: Jul 1, 2017 - 3:40am
Total Posts: 2203 | Joined: Dec 21, 2006 - 1:30am

[image]http://i.imgur.com/HGnqYEJs.jpg?1[/image]

Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Jul 1, 2017 - 8:06am
Total Posts: 1680 | Joined: Jan 2, 2007 - 9:55pm

Another imgur test message
[image]http://i.imgur.com/HGnqYEJs.jpg?1[/image]

David Waples

Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Jul 1, 2017 - 8:19am
Total Posts: 1680 | Joined: Jan 2, 2007 - 9:55pm

Test 3
[image]http://i.imgur.com/HGnqYEJb.jpg[/image]

Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Jul 1, 2017 - 8:20am
Total Posts: 1680 | Joined: Jan 2, 2007 - 9:55pm

Test 3
[image]http://i.imgur.com/HGnqYEJl.jpg[/image]

Well, IMGUR looks okay so far. From just playing with it a little it seems much easier to use than Photobucket and seems more functional.

Anybody have a down side to this program?

Update. Found a down side. When you join imgur you join their community. I posted this image as a test and immediately got 3 messages asking me about it. Photobucket did have the ability to make images private.

Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Jul 1, 2017 - 8:22am
Total Posts: 1680 | Joined: Jan 2, 2007 - 9:55pm

Not sure how you could use Google Photos here. Maybe Dick can give us some ideas. Doing some research on posting Google Photos to forums I couldn't find anything helpful. I tried using it on another forum with no luck. Perhaps Google will have something better in the future.

I checked out Flickr. I'm able to use that on another forum. It has privacy features which are good. However I'm not sure how you would use it here. Would need Dick's input.

Test image with flickr:
[image]

[\image]

It did post but it appears that I may not need the "[image] and [\image]"? Dick?

I did find that I could make an album in imgur "secret". But not sure how that works with the images folder and they do warn that anyone can grab your photos once you post them. So if you're concerned about image ownership this is not a good choice for you. The links are very convenient though and seem much more functional than Photobucket.

Dave

David Waples

Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Jul 1, 2017 - 8:44am
Total Posts: 1680 | Joined: Jan 2, 2007 - 9:55pm

Great-looking model of the battleship U.S.S New York, BB-34.

Posted By: Drew Cook | Posted on: Jul 1, 2017 - 1:49pm
Total Posts: 1306 | Joined: Oct 19, 2006 - 10:44am

Thanks for the research Dave. Yes Imgur is pretty easy to use. It can be fun to browse also, it's probably best for most to select "Most Viral" sorted by "Popularity". Select at their main page by clicking on the underlined words so it reads "The Most Viral images on the Internet, sorted by popularity". Viewing "newest submitted", where images are first seen after uploading, is like a box of chocolates. A lot of stupid stuff shows up. And some offensive content can pop up before the watchdogs zap it.

Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: Jul 1, 2017 - 3:37pm
Total Posts: 2203 | Joined: Dec 21, 2006 - 1:30am

Hi All . . . .

Sorry for any inconveniences - I've been away for away and will look into the PB matters as soon as possible. Thank you for your understanding.

All the best,Dick . . . .

Posted By: Dick | Posted on: Jul 2, 2017 - 9:14am
Total Posts: 1489 | Joined: Aug 27, 2006 - 6:36pm

Thanks David for doing all this legwork. I will wait for our fearless leader, Dick, to decide how we move forward from here. I am sort of pissed that Photobucket hijacked all of our pictures. Oh well, you get what you pay for I suppose...LOL
Jerry

Jerry Gilmartin
PT658 Crewman
Portland OR

True enough. The only way we'll see those photos on this site is if whomever posted them pays the $400 ransom. Fortunately I didn't use them to store my photos. I think I'll just let what I put on that site sit there for now and see what happens with Photobucket. Everyone who used them to post pictures is pretty pissed and they're jumping off that ship fast. As if what they've done with adds wasn't enough to make one leave.

Another site which seems to be similar to imgur is Fotki. Users seem to like it. It has very limited free hosting. From what I've seen so far Flikr and imgur. seem the be the more popular choices. If you're concerned about protecting your images or what you post Flikr is the better of the two. Both are free of bots from what I've seen.

I wouldn't mind paying a reasonable fee for image hosting. But $400 a year is robbery.

Dave

David Waples

Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Jul 2, 2017 - 12:57pm
Total Posts: 1680 | Joined: Jan 2, 2007 - 9:55pm

I, too, have found Photobucket more and more frustrating and difficult to use. So, I use Google Photos for all my pics and albums. Free, user-friendly, and very cool. The image below is from my PT 187 album on Google Photos, and I pasted it here by this method:

1. Go to the album, click on the photo thumbnail to expand it. 2. Right click "copy image address".
3. Open your message here, type [ image ] then paste your image address here (it'll be long..... then type [ / image] Please note that there should be no spaces between commands as I have here, necessary for it to show up on this message...)
4. Done!

[image]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/wKpMJ0IdzU4lqHpSA6fYhI5f722WSpBGN8YfNWW2RNW801GWRsla-jQR_6bR_yIT-_BDrdomRBpDr7AfJesUE-Vsw7_uN75j3_HOuC3mL-o7zKasiwZzxyoJhd3eMdWWzbQGhyFrgz_7k_96GA-P8VTNvutWU9O8DITQHvzbF9v4pEBn4S-0bxzleTq8fzBMLe_J2d-y0Wsk3eF384kU1Ad99acVi5TJpXVMXchEW8RH7b6336Mi9QL7pyhaEDe6oM6OqL_5zJ-ORpOOL15dom7NciqHeMPoLL7VE286Xld3X2AvvWNXhkdxvQRgmyJ__dAccRF6Zli678QTnK8ml3XxBGGX432F6xZk78iFX9MIUliN6ZsMEbFA3MuVkC4HDxEfGl6wtFVs9_HpUqV39jxWEZz7JiQWZwJPjqloN5RcI7buzRcMTTFi6QDt0nYCoHEZi1_F_WIM8isMC88gxTwj6rlx5mYJROD1ZxhFgpy5jfonowcvcZT_WfGWahAoUnogBPV66M4_M4xO4mnwS6Q7vIHQQpYm7jL_jEdBOutA93wXsvah8_QpcN954-NTXBrm8e-5jQo1O-R245fnRcegt5ChoXktFvq0Jl3PanmnOF4Xqw57DuMvEHglhX5w9mlsptBW5_TAz7kLxfDyTjDOIN51skYQ1mwyhkSkni0=w784-h638-no[/image]

Cheers!
--Bob

Posted By: Bob Steinbrunn | Posted on: Jul 3, 2017 - 12:31pm
Total Posts: | Joined: Unregistered

Here's another test image from my Google Photos PT 187 album using the same method. Seems easy and foolproof.

[image]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/6j_ZLcn3nK5BlZatQvd2I9wArCoJgJze4LA2nYEmc4Q1gTXx9BLmC9tM4qFpuE5mrsKBqkYfVT3gW6z0dCTGH4I3pzhkmBxE7-LqASQR_Qhh-N7a_6iuRTQ4IzQ2tnnzLawQc3WtNf7AJHYg5X8SlbtCop1mVHpPyGCc_TUIVWSkZ_W_Umi6eX6G3OJtF_ZxtmPsynGaPnSGZNPSNRU6obGo9aLMkmbZPd7kK5_V8WgQm0HcWWiaSg3CR67a_5O7ACfXVAa4rNYgv76U1K6VfSh_-wXdAfdtOCIQZKxbiFHi4Ji9HyN-k5bEz6uOHnypXe1xm4810zdpinpKe-ueMpV45jWwBz8Mig8lS3REA7xAZAgwgDdeWBWm65HyxNcyHW-OQko89ufuUz1DzBjuJ32jIgxha_l1DDJ7pALPEvYTlCjIzYuATMvU95WhhYLZkJEesNxF1qWYEbs3Z1Q-HyYU-VGzP-kbMLEKxEnCfpxGhdxJTAwYjcSCswPZEOB1KEPLi2T3o1230pdPihbH-6n8-myluAVriLq0NjIjy9YC8dAvfNtgNZ9CT44Ejkl1yggPIGwuy0QbMhliV-PmcRuXCnQjgmr2TRD4NT2RJjLO80T27X7I6xmulvxZk9RstbR_7vjR6SJr_Xl0RpSRbS7lkqgE5xJvFCC1Hc17S_0=w700-h638-no[/image]

P.S. $399.00 PER YEAR FOR PHOTOBUCKET?? That's a lot of beer! [:-laughing-:]

Cheers!
--Bob

Posted By: Bob Steinbrunn | Posted on: Jul 3, 2017 - 12:46pm
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Bob,
Thanks for the tips on using Google Photos. I'm wondering how it will work on other forums?

On another note your boat is looking awesome! You've captured a lot of great detail in this build and I have to believe Al is very pleased with what you've done with the Bluejacket kit. Nice work and looking forward to seeing her completed.

Dave

David Waples

Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Jul 4, 2017 - 1:24pm
Total Posts: 1680 | Joined: Jan 2, 2007 - 9:55pm

Bob;
That is one awesome looking RON 12, RON 6, RON 9, model!!! (What timeframe are you depicting?) Especially since its 1/48 scale!
I don't know about the white ammo trays, but do I see an open engineroom hatch? Hmmm, did you do the engineroom too?
Great work!!!
Take care,
TED

Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Jul 4, 2017 - 2:33pm
Total Posts: 3091 | Joined: Oct 16, 2006 - 7:42am

Thanks for the kind words, Dave; much appreciated. Al did a great job with this kit and thus far I've had a year-and-a-half of fun with it. About six months to go yet.

Ted....you have very sharp eyes! The model is shown as a work in progress and the .50 caliber ammo trays are going to be painted Haze Gray 5-H, a color close to Jeff Davidson's fantastic CAD renderings. [:-cheers-:]

The engine room hatch is the second type and was scratch-built out of .020" sheet styrene. Photos of PT 187 show this type and with the door mostly open as the boat is flying along.
Here's another test/copy from Google Photos:

[image]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/S8YD7nPRCtlBLn-Rn4sHJ9zFIHlXBm_SPUIyYteiEPDB_P3bZwOoECnVyjwQNJvHOSycTAxRSWZOdACXPY_NntPOp20NvRG7YgHX7r92SQfs914oQcuWrbqAgANE7qULKBFZwh2edi6CbiDovZnfkTJ5nYwkLFVyRkA7f326a1m2OojmvIhj1Sx0PW0akdWQ_3yQM5zjIpedOgoXgIB5qAkPR6i4c6zf1F60Az0vouxl31ppvSU90BGJwzorU6pL69oZCdiee2_eTxYoHInxsiNNSUv43d6Bgt_53MeDZpF11Um58cHh5qbTDiHFoeTFAuUAg7j4UyMwLMPCXg8vjaSU-5BnvynJ1HxmKpzVjYmNDOmYmKUCidQdosmmJg-XADtO-P_97XmpJIpt0_SkGaldyxg1PnxXcK7mkB-q6Gart_--192yqVfufZem2DIEAOZKSuE1TzyTzKm9U-s9AnwpniUaA2LLp6quQcU3BRkmQea0wtL7cHNsiHORDLroc10WpeuklaoRsH_nGNnR9X3lFgIVEbCp71fkYkuxEP2vuJ3OrdZxA4Yp3A2YHAvtyrijGZSsmtR7wAaVhu-bO0PoESnw_8omrbePAEHE61174IxN1h9QN2ssaHtGKtnuXIlf9x_s1CnKxnWYPAXmAarlsYtKAn3NIKdqt9fHfZc=w660-h638-no[/image]

Cheers!
--Bob

Posted By: Bob Steinbrunn | Posted on: Jul 5, 2017 - 9:09am
Total Posts: | Joined: Unregistered

Bob;
Thanks! From your photo, I can see the type and location of the ladder. On my PT 599 and PT 600 RON 40, I have this hatch open and I rebuilt mine as yours is. In my diorama, they are returning to Miami Shakedown in the early morning, after a night out on a training exercise.On my PT 600, I want to have an ELCO/Packard engine Rep/tech coming out of this hatch. I am building a full engineroom, and the boats will have lighting.
This diorama represents a op test for PT 600, as RON 40 Det Charlie went to Cienfuegos, Cuba prior to heading to Panama, and hit a submerged object at high speed, knocking a hole in the hull and damaging the centerline shaft, screw and rudder. They got it repaired at Gitmo.. Warren Aldrich mentioned he remembered this incident and that similar damage but they were hit by a runaway sailboat that lost its mooring. The bow of the sailboat came through the hull at the foward head, while a crewman was on the throne! This occurred at an earlier date to his PT 598 "Miss Mickey Finn"
Take care,
TED

Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Jul 6, 2017 - 10:14am
Total Posts: 3091 | Joined: Oct 16, 2006 - 7:42am

Very nice Bob! She's really coming along. I'm no expert at camo but wouldn't the .50 cradles and carriages be painted to match it?

Ted, was the 600 in the middle of the ocean when it hit the submerged object as opposed to a reef near a key? It must have been a real shock to the crew either way.

Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: Jul 7, 2017 - 2:34am
Total Posts: 2203 | Joined: Dec 21, 2006 - 1:30am

Ted, we can hardly wait to see your dio. Photos, please!

Jeff, thanks for the nice words. The ammo trays have been painted gray, but the .50 caliber machine guns and their cradles (plus other details and exotica evident in your amazing CAD drawings) haven't been installed yet.

Cheers!
--Bob

Posted By: Bob Steinbrunn | Posted on: Jul 7, 2017 - 6:28am
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Hallo Bob what you showed is really nice work,the detail is impressive considering it's in 1/48th.
Having researched the subject quite a lot I noticed a couple of odd things about the radar mast you fitted: the masts with round cross section top had the domes fitted directly to the mast top, without cilindrical connecting piece.
PT187 seems to have had the square cross section top mast installed,like PT192,see http://www.pt103.com/images/ptpics/pt192/PT192_Galloping_Guillotine2.jpg
You also missed the two cables running along the support arm,I suppose to prevent the mast from falling into the bridge during rising, See http://www.pt103.com/images/ptpics/pt192/Ken_Christianson_PT192_Duty_Watch.jpg
Please take this as constructive criticism, it isn't meant to put down your excellent work in any way,[:-cheers-:]
P,S. I think the interior of the engine hatch air scoop should be black,I remember seeing a note about this on the ELCO drawings..

Daniele Kläy

Posted By: Daniele Klay | Posted on: Jul 8, 2017 - 3:41am
Total Posts: 126 | Joined: Jun 23, 2015 - 12:43pm

Thanks for all the great information, Daniele; much appreciated!

Cheers!
--Bob

Posted By: Bob Steinbrunn | Posted on: Jul 8, 2017 - 11:26am
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I also belong to a motorcycle forum that uses the same type of software as this forum. We have a "Gallery" in our forum specific for the forum so that we do not have to rely on Photobucket or any other site for the pictures. That way, the pictures stay with the forum all the time, through upgrades, user changes and to be sure the pictures are always in the posts.

Here is a link:

http://classicgoldwings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=4290

I have more pictures of boats on that site than motorcycles sometimes!

Former crew member of the Big Blue Sightseer ex-PT 486

Posted By: mcgovern61 | Posted on: Jul 18, 2017 - 4:39pm
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The motorcycle forum being discussed uses the old free phpBB software that conveniently has its own built-in Gallery add-on. Being free as well as its many nock-offs - it is a very popular software programs used through the internet on thousands of websites.

This program was tried many, many, many years ago when the forum (message board) was first created, however it was shortly abandoned. At the time the most of the WWII PT Boats vets coming to the site were not computer literate. After all this was the very early days of the publics use of the WORLD WIDE WEB , and the vets needed something more intuitive for the novice user. After some lengthy investigation the software here at this forum was chosen, both by the absolute ease of use but also the price of the software was reasonable. I admit the price was very attractive, because this site is self-funded courtesy of my wife understanding.

For the last seventeen years Photobucket work just fine for most of us. However, the current policies at Photobucket werent expected and even with the tremendous amount of very harsh criticism throughout the web, it has not proven to force them to change their current policy. Their policy is somewhat understandable because tens of thousand of users used the free service while selling and profiting from their own ventures requiring posted images. However, on your part [b] a free message forum [/b] it hit us hard because their is no commercial gain, no adds, no income coming in to support their demand for $400/year.

[b]See the new Posting labeled New Photo Gallery Coming for more information.[b/]

Dick . . . .

Posted By: Dick | Posted on: Jul 18, 2017 - 7:00pm
Total Posts: 1489 | Joined: Aug 27, 2006 - 6:36pm