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Frank J Andruss Sr
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 Posted on: Feb 28, 2011 - 11:45pm
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Here is an interesting photo I have come across showing her decks a natural wood color. When was this taken? Notice the two colors on the forward cabin structure. Any clues guys.
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TED WALTHER
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Posted on: Mar 1, 2011 - 8:14am
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Frank;
Is this really a 70 foot Elco? I don't see a 1 between the T and the next number. in fact the number looks like a 2. Were the first 77' boats(PT 20-23) natural deck at first? During acceptance trials/shakedown? I always thought they were painted .
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Frank J Andruss Sr
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Posted on: Mar 1, 2011 - 8:40am
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Ted
In trying to check out that number on the bow, I could not see anything that looks like 10-19. You could be correct in that this might not be a 70 Footer at all.
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TGConnelly
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Posted on: Mar 1, 2011 - 1:44pm
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Alex Johnson tells me that it is a 70 footer. You guys could just ask him to verify this ...
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Alex Johnson
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Posted on: Mar 1, 2011 - 2:40pm
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It appears to me to be a 70' Elco based on the "PT 1"something on the hull, the cabin shape, and the torpedo tube type found on the original seventy footers. ALEX
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alross2
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Posted on: Mar 1, 2011 - 3:14pm
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Here are the original ELCO drawings for the 70' and first series 77' boats at the same scale and aligned.
This looks like a 70' boat to me. Some of the key indicators are the 18" torpedo tubes (note the shape of the fore and aft saddles), the rectangular aft cockpit window, the distance between the stern and the aft-most cowl vents, the location of the after-most cowl vent in relation to the aft saddle on the torpedo tube, the rounded aft edge of the charthouse roof (as opposed to the sharp edge of the 77') and the parallel alignment of the forward-most cowl vents.
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Dick
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Posted on: Mar 1, 2011 - 3:14pm
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This is a really confusing image -
Reference "Allied Coastal Force, of World War II, Volume II, Vosper MTB's & U.S. Elco's" by Labert and Ross" Page 129, drawings showing the Super structures of 70 & 77 footers. As well as the many other detail drawings by Al. My personnel interpretation is the chart house roof is fairly flat and the down turn at the aft end of the cockpit being more angular as shown in one of the drawings. Where the drawings show the PT 10-19 chart house being more bulbous and a rounder turn down at the aft end of the cockpit. Also the aft (#3) window shapes. With these items I would say it’s a 20-44. But, but the torpedo tubes configuration and their closeness to each other tells me it’s a 10-19. Oh well, I think the key is the top of the chart house section of the superstructure.
Hair pulling confusion, I quit, I'm going home now.
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alross2
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Posted on: Mar 1, 2011 - 3:59pm
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Hair pulling confusion, I quit, I'm going home now.
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At least you have the hair to pull...
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TED WALTHER
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Posted on: Mar 1, 2011 - 6:21pm
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Now that Al, mentioned those differences, I agree, this is a 70' Elco, I really missed that 3rd window being a different shape. Also the turret domes are different than those on a early 77' Elco.
O.K. I went through all of my photos, I have some around R.I. or N.Y., but most are of the New York to Miami trip, so this one with the natural deck this has to be before that.
I don't have a close up photo of PT 12(I only have a B/W overhead with what sort of looks like a Natural deck and another B/W shot with the group underway 11, 13, 14 and 9 are in this photo), PT 13 or PT 16(I have none of this boat).
The mystery continues.......
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Frank J Andruss Sr
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Posted on: Mar 1, 2011 - 6:48pm
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It's difficult to say where this photo was taken, although one small clue is the women to the right of the photo watching this boat move out. Wherever this was snapped is certainly close to shore as the women is watching from the dock. Also, in looking at the two men on the stern of the boat, the man to the right does not appear to be in Navy clothing. This is another one of those confusing photo's, which makes you wonder, where and when were these boats actually painted. We are lead to belive that the painting was done at Elco in Bayonnne, but very well could have been re-painted somewhere else. This is the first color photo that I have seen, which shows toe rails, and decking to be of the natural Mahoganey wood used in the building process, yet I have personel photos that show them fully painted in the basin tied up in front of Building 21.
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