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Arjan Wiskerke
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Posted on: Mar 4, 2019 - 5:21am
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There is still an awful lot of work to be done but I was curious to see what the Jeep would look like on the boat :
Ted had a close look at the period pic in question and he came to the conclusion the boat is not PT 515 but PT 516 instead. This makes sense because James Mountcastle, the executive officer of Ron 35, and the commander of PT 516 had probably been ordered to transport the commanding officer's jeep to the new command post.
This was probably the Jeep in question :
The downside is that PT 516 had a very long name (Flying Gini) to put on a 1/35 plaque  .
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Jeff D
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 Posted on: Mar 5, 2019 - 6:50am
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That jeep aboard would make for a very cool model Arjan! I don't remember ever seeing one before.
Nice work finding details on these later boats, keep up the great work!
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Arjan Wiskerke
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Posted on: Mar 5, 2019 - 8:20am
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Thanks Jeff ! The longer I pore over the available pics the more differences I find with the late Italeri PT kit. The PT crews also made subtle changes to their boats while in England. Most boats arrived in England with the two standard engine room cowl vents (with tall stacks) but later pics show these stacks had been shortened significantly. The reason for this is not clear to me . Of course later pics also show different colours and armament.
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Arjan Wiskerke
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Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 - 9:27am
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These two pics show that PT 516 and PT 517 had some brackets on the day room roof whose function is unclear to me (looks like they were intended for storing bars or rods ?). This pic also shows PT 517 had a locker on the port side of the chart house.
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Arjan Wiskerke
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Posted on: Mar 14, 2019 - 5:25am
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Some progress pics from rainy Holland :
Engine room hatch :
The hatch from my PT 596 model and the new one :
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Tom dK
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Posted on: Mar 14, 2019 - 9:19am
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Hi Arjan,
I think you made a mistake with the engine room hatch.
You made the hatch wider and I think the cover should be slimmer.
If you look at the photo with the "winterschilder" the ammo ready rack is wider then the hatch.Also the photo in harbour seen on the back all 3 the 504 ,503 and 518 it is slimmer then the ready rack.
Sorry to say it but I though you'll might like to know it.
The work you did looks great.
cheers, Tom
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Arjan Wiskerke
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Posted on: Mar 14, 2019 - 10:23am
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Hi Tom, I appreciate your comment. I already had some doubts about the width of the original Italeri er hatch. The hatch here definitely seems to look slimmer :
I agree that the 4cm ready locker is much wider than the hatch housing in this pic :
Thing is that Italeri made the locker just as wide as the hatch housing. and the former is definitely not as wide as the one in the previous pic. So I think that the ready locker should definitely be widened and perhaps the hatch housing should be slimmed down a bit.
One thing I'm sure of (judging from both pics and drawings) is that the cover of the er hatch protrudes on both sides. Not a great pic but it shows the sides of the cover protrude slightly :
My two cents  .
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Posted on: Mar 14, 2019 - 12:35pm
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Arjan;
The Italeri Kit has the engineroom hatch and the 40MM ready ammo locker the same size because the later boats were this way. Not the greatest angle but this gives you an idea:
PT 588 RON 39 Stern at ELCO boat basin 1945.
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Arjan Wiskerke
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Posted on: Mar 14, 2019 - 12:48pm
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Thanks Ted, in the mean time I had reached the same conclusion. Al's drawing of PT 562 also shows the housing and locker with the same width so that's where this probably started. Anyway, back to the drawing board .
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Dick
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Posted on: Mar 16, 2019 - 11:12am
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Seeing all the excellent research Arjan PT 515 and Tom PT 518 are doing on these Elco boats is admirable - Well done gentlemen.
About a year ago, by pure accident I ran across a photo and notice a difference on 40mm mounts. While looking for minor details as I was modifying the National WWII Museum’s poster for the PT 305 to its final configuration and paint scheme. I came across a photo showing a different guard railing and ammo round storage than I had noticed before or even aware of. It was apparently used on all the Med boats. Also while searching other photos and came a cross the English Channel photo of PT 515 with the jeep on it, and also noted the boat in the foreground had this same configuration.
To Tom’s credit his original build of the 518 clearly showed this difference.
For general reference, below are some sketches I made for myself while updating the poster and thought I would share:
Dick . . .
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